but because of the consequences of using it. I.e. the moderate establishment democratic party

Bruh…

Who do you think is the majority power in the DNC if not

the moderate establishment democratic party

Like, you’re arguing a group of people won’t do something because the same group of people don’t want it to happen.

I’m trying to explain that means they could do if they wanted…

The only difference is you’re acting like it’s two groups of people and not literally the exact same people.

I think I’m just not being clear:

They will suffer more if republicans stay in charge.

Bailing them out over and over again makes them think Republicans are doing a good job

Republicans having to raise their taxes to cover lack of preparedness even as more continue to happ ns makes them realize shit is not being handled, and that replacing the republicans would be a good idea.

We agree, you’re just thinking short term.

And I’m saying how to fix it long term rather than having the short term problem over and over and over again u til the end of time.

Yeah, it’s fucking nuts.

New Hampshire argued it would not move its primary, because it was bound by its state constitution to be first.

The DNC then stripped the state of its 24 delegates and Mr Biden did not register as a candidate, nor did he campaign in the state. Voting in primaries decides the number of delegates that in turn select the party’s nominee at the national convention in August.

It’s expecially fucked considering how NH has been consistently voting for progressives over party favorites. I forget what bullshit they gave for reasons, but the real reason NH lost delegates was NH never voted for the DNC’s pick

Like, everything about the entire situation was fucked, but it was immediately replaced in the news cycle with:

Biden wins NH in historic write in campaign!

But Biden’s already turning on the media just for asking questions. He’s not going to get much more favorable coverage.

Something voters will feel, and make it more likely they vote out the current shit leadership.

As in, they’d all have to come to a consensus on one candidate other than Biden, and that’s just not a likely thing to happen without Biden stepping aside voluntarily.

They don’t to change the rules…

And they can change it to:

Everyone at the DNC votes for who they want, most votes is the nominee.

But you’re talking about what they’re likely to do, but were phrasing it as what they can do.

I’m talking about what they literally can do.

They can do a whole hell of a lot. They’re just not taking the threat seriously enough and willing to run Biden because even if he loses, the status quo at the DNC remains the same. All the same people get another 4 years in power of one of the only two major political parties in America.

the mini-primary as an opportunity to avoid Biden and Harris and pick someone with no chance in the general election

I agree that the few people who actually want Biden personally wouldn’t vote for a progressive, or even anyone besides Kamala.

It’s just they’re a tiny tiny subset of the Dem party

Do you remember the 08 Puma movement?

Not only were they so statistically insignificant that Obama didn’t lose many votes, his progressive campaign picked up so many traditional non-voters there’s a couple red states who only went blue for that election in the last 50 some years. Despite everything moderates claim about how people want moderate policy, what flips red states is young charismatic candidate running progressive campaigns.

So while I think it’ll be Kamala and her 29% approval rating, and I do think she has a better chance than Biden, neither are as good as bets of someone like Pete or Whitmere. Who still aren’t progressive, just too far left for the DNC.

However just the existence of a mini primary would pull whoever the candidate is (even Biden if he participated) to the left and help beat Trump in the general.

Biden:

There’s no time to run anyone else!

Voters:

The convention is a month away…

Biden:

I’ma need a month to think about this then

If Biden “isn’t sure” then he can participate in whatever primary we can slap together and show voters what he’s made of while we evaluate other options.

We could have just done that for a legit primary months ago. But as soon as they stole NH’ s delegates I knew it was going to be a shit show.

I just wish more people listened back then.

We should have had people on the street as soon as they pulled that undemocratic shit.

You missed a part apparently…

Give them help because it’s the people that suffer, but give the state government a bill.

The party is not going to move further left all of a sudden

I agree with that, and no one is saying any differently…

They should to maximize chances to beat Trump. But we all know that’s not the priority

and as far as I understand, in order to replace him they’d need a clear alternative singular candidate to nominate.

What?

Obviously at the end of the day they’d need to nominate one person as the candidate.

The DNC can come up with that name themselves, they can do a primary/survey/whatever for voter input or not.

But yes, eventually they have to name a candidate regardless of if that’s Biden or not.

Delegates may be pledged, and current rules may say they need to vote for who they’re pledged to.

But the DNC can just change that rule this afternoon if they wanted to.

To pay it they have to raise taxes or cut services…

Something voters will feel, and make it more likely they vote out the current shit leadership.

I live in a red state, I know what I’m saying we do and there’s a nonzero chance it happens to the state I live in…

Doesn’t make it a bad plan. It means I’ve thought of the consequences long before making that social media comment.

What am I not getting about this?

The assumption is that the simulation runs constantly and at least as fast as real time.

Neither needs to be true. A simulation might be to see what would have happened if we made different choices, it might be a video game, it might be a way to gen TV shows based on “the historical past” that we consider present time.

We might just be an experiment to see if free will exists. Start 10,000 identical simulations to run a century, and at the end compare the results, see what’s changed, and if those changes snowballed or evened out.

And just like how video games only “draw” what’s in field of view, a simulation could run the same way, drastically cutting down resource needs.

And “impossible levels of energy” isn’t really right. At a certain point a species can get a Dyson sphere. And once they get the first, every subsequent one is a cake walk. It’s as close as possible to “infinite energy” there’s no real reason to even go past one.

Hell, it doesn’t need to be “everything” everything. Generate a solar system and as long as no one leaves, you don’t need to generate anything past it other than some lights.

And 99% of those delegates were named by Biden’s campaign

Biden personally nominated the DNC chair and appoints 47 (maybe 77?) voting seats, then the DNC votes to confirm the chair the incoming president appointed.

And there’s around 470 voting positions in the DNC.

So, Biden isn’t appointing the majority. But the vast majority are establishment Dems who agree with Biden 100% and would rather see trump as president than progressive leadership of the DNC.

If Biden backs out, Harris will be the nominee, and no amount of Progressive whining will change that.

Bruh…

In 2012 progressives voted for Obama despite him not being as progressive as he campaigned in 08…

In 2016 progressives held their noses and voted Clinton…

In 2020 we held our noses and voted for Biden…

In 2024 progressives will largely show up and vote D, whether it’s Biden, Harris, or anyone else. Just like what has been happening for decades.

What progressives have been screaming since 2019 is that Biden isnt really popular and he isn’t our best shot to stop trump. And we need to run our best bet that we’ve been saying since 2015.

The problem is moderates decided on Biden, and they’re used to always getting exactly what they want. That’s why they fight against Kamala so hard despite like 99% of her and Biden’s domestic policy likely being identical.

Moderates will still get what they want, they’re just not used to any kind of compromise inside the Dem party.

When people say Biden can’t win, were talking about the “non party” voters that allowed Biden to squeak thru last year. People that just “stay out of” politics and are the entire reason political campaign exist and Biden needs billions of dollars to beat Trump.

But instead of talking about how to get those votes like responsible adults, moderates just want a slap fight and for everyone to shut up and vote as told.

The big issue is, no metrics or data looks like Biden will win. I don’t think a president has ever been elected with an approval rating as low as Biden.

I don’t think you understand just how bad a 34% approval rating is for an incumbent…

The White House said Sunday that the Federal Emergency Management Agency had sent emergency responders, search-and-rescue teams, bottled water, and other resources along the coast.

I get that they’re helping to get votes…

I just hate how red states refuse to help Blue states.

And if there’s a Republican president, feds won’t help blue states.

Yet, Dems constantly bail out red states.

Give them help because it’s the people that suffer, but give the state government a bill.

This isn’t getting caught once with you pants down and learning the lesson, red states are actively fighting science and not taking the steps to prevent this shit in the future. And everyone else has to pay for them when we have our own problems.

Everything hinges on Biden

Not really. The DNC is a private non government organization that can do whatever they want

They could say they’re putting Taylor Swift on the ballot, and I don’t even think they need their candidates permission.

They just won’t choose to boot Biden if he doesn’t drop.

I believe the distinction is important.

But Im not sure how people downvoting you are so confident in Biden or why they’re so baffled about this whole thing.

Yeah, at this point I just saved that comment with the logic broken down, and that’s what I’m using when I get asked “BuT wHo?”. Because fuck, I get asked that a lot.

That account didn’t reply last night, asked the same fucking question less than 12 hours later… And isn’t going to answer now either.

Because there is literally no logical reason for Biden to be the candidate.

What I think, is they only care about 100% support to Israel. trump isn’t reliable enough, and if Russia gets pulled in by the 4+1 treaty…

I don’t know how anyone could think trump would side with Israel over Russia. He’d turn on Israel and Ukraine both in a heartbeat.

Israel is the only logical reason someone would insist on Biden, they just know if they said it, it would just hurt Biden more. So they can’t give a single valid reason for their insistence in Biden.

Same thing I told you last night bro.

You asked literally the same question, and I responded with this:

1. You and everyone else willing to vote for Biden, will vote for any Dem.
2. Some people don’t want trump, but won’t vote Biden.
3. There exist other politicians who can be the Dem nominee.

Conclusion: Sticking with Biden, becomes the worst chance at beating trump.

Don’t worry about anything else, just look at that logic.

Can you find any flaw in it?

But just so you don’t keep asking:

I’m curious, though, who is your candidate?

AOC

But again. All we’re talking about who can beat Trump. And if that logic up there isn’t something you disagree with, let me know. Just stripping this all down to a pure logic thing.

I’m optimistic this will work.

Yeah, but we’re talking American politics.

As much as it shouldn’t matter and makes them nothing…

It probably matters. It’s still an “old boys club” especially for Biden. Up until a year or two ago he wouldn’t shut up about how much he misses hanging out with republicans. Like his old buddy and infamous racist Strom Thurmond or Mitch McTurtle.

I always forget there was a real historical figure and assume Greensleeves is Gull’s little sister from those old Magic books.

Not sure how well they hold up, but like 25 years ago Arena and the Greensleeves trilogy seemed like the best books ever.

Green, whose wife’s uncle was Biden’s college roommate, also provided insight into last week’s meeting that governors had with the president. During the meeting, Green asked Biden about his health. Biden responded by saying everything was fine except for his brain.

Green told the AP that the president was joking, and that context was lost when leaked by other people.

“It was absolutely a joke, and in order to make a self-deprecating joke, you have to have intact cognitive function, period,” Green said.

Biden is trying to just “laugh off” valid concerns, that’s not a good strategy.

And this governor is giving a different story then Biden’s “all the govenors support me, they all said to stay in”:

He also discounted any assertion that advisers crafted the meeting to have governors supportive of Biden speak first to quell any dissent. Instead, he said it was a very candid, unscripted conversation with 25 governors with differing opinions.

“That call had just like you’d expect in a coffee shop, a few people mouthed off, a few people, you know, probably excessively praised the president, but almost everybody was just trying to see, ‘Are we OK?’” Green said.

It should be concerning that Biden is presenting this wrong intentionally to help his campaign, but it’s much worse if he’s just completely ignoring criticism and walked out thinking everyone supported him 100% and had no concerns.

Biden could just seize their assets and auction them off till it pays the debts. It’s a multi-billion dollar international shipping company with probably more assets just in that one port than it would cost to replace the bridge…

And before you say “that would be wrong”.

Reminder that civil asset forfeiture is still a thing. If a cop finds $5k in cash on you he can just fucking take it.