These people will come round when nobody wants to work for them. Same thing happened/is happening with WFH and hybrid jobs.

It’s currently 2024 and mullets are in so we clearly haven’t progressed much.

1. I think it’s fair to say that football hooliganism is not unique to any particular place, and is a specific and unique problem. I do find football hooligans a nightmare. Is that the same problem as we’re discussing with general tourism? I would argue no. Football hooligans are horrible in their own countries too.

2. That’s an absolutely perfect example of what I’m saying. Whose fault is that - the individual who goes to that place, or the local government for approving those businesses to set themselves up on that street? If I lived there I would be furious. Not with the tourist spending money there, but with government for enabling the situation.

I’ve travelled around Spain and Italy (not Portugal, though I would love to visit one day) and I completely agree that it’s a shame when places are taken over by businesses that cater to tourists to the detriment of the authentic local culture. The first place that comes to mind for me is Amalfi in Italy, where this was by far the worst part about my visit there, despite it being an absolutely gorgeous part of the world.

Where we disagree is where the responsibility lies. I do not believe it’s the fault of the individual tourist. Local and national governments absolutely have the ability to change the situation. Obviously they don’t because tourism brings in so much money. I don’t particularly see how accosting and blaming individuals who have come to visit achieves anything or places blame on the people whose literal job it is to regulate these things.

I admit I’m not familiar with Spanish law specifically. However I do have a legal background including a master’s in international law and I’m fluent in Spanish. It appears that this very comfortably fits the definition for misdemeanor assault without injury, based on a quick skim. In any case, since you bring up common sense, I think common sense would suggest that spraying people with water who are minding their own business is something that would be prohibited in any country with a sensible legal system. And regardless, it clearly fits the common sense everyday usage of the word.

Personally, if this happened to me, as an ex police officer who worked in London where the threat of acid attacks are very real, I would in the first instance be quite concerned, especially given my PTSD. I think in any civilised, peaceful country a person should be able to mind their own business without being accosted and having water sprayed on them because they look foreign. That shouldn’t be controversial.

As for your point on personal responsibility and your comparison with climate change - yes, I would apply the exact same logic there. It’s the responsibility of the government to regulate the private sector to minimise environmental impact. I would equally criticise assaulting end consumers as a form of climate protest. Would you not? I assume your personal carbon footprint is 0 in that case.

How do I suggest the government do it? I don’t know. That’s not my field. It probably would have some consequences yes - the same can be said for almost any government policy on almost anything. It’s not relevant to my point, which is that it’s not the fault of someone who goes to another country as a tourist. What’s YOUR suggestion? Ban tourists? Continue to target them with harassment until your country is so hostile in accosting foreigners that nobody wants to go there? That’s really a place you’d want to live?

I was in Barcelona last November. I stayed in a hotel for a few days and visited a few sites, went to the theatre, and ate out at a few restaurants. I did that because I enjoy Spanish culture and Barcelona seems like an interesting place, and because I can. I deserved to be harassed and assaulted for that? Really? For visiting somewhere I find interesting, causing no harm to anyone, and spending money in local businesses?

I’m not saying the people of Spain as a whole are xenophobic. I’m saying that these groups who assault and harass people in the streets because they think they’re foreigners are xenophobic. That is a xenophobic attack. And you are currently advocating for it.

I live in a coastal city and during the summer months it is PACKED with tourists from all kinds of countries. I get the annoyance. I experience it first hand. I empathise. But it does NOT warrant this kind of behaviour targeted towards people who are perceived as foreign. That’s not how civilised societies do things. And I’m finding it a bit perplexing that you are simultaneously advocating for that while also talking about making decisions based on conscience.

I’m not muttering it. It’s literally assault.

“Knowingly going to a country suffering from over tourism” oh, please. None of those consequences you listed are any individual tourist’s fault. If the government has failed to regulate these things that’s on them.

In any case, do the protestors know all of the people they assaulted individually? I somehow doubt it.

Dress it up however you want, you are advocating for indiscriminate xenophobic assault and harassment.

Okay. Well I’ve been to plenty of capital and major cities in London and Barcelona is the only place I’ve ever seen anti tourist stuff around and heard about this in the media. Granted, I’ve not been to Lisbon.

Barcelona DOES have a unique reputation for these anti-tourist groups. That’s why I said Barcelona was unique. But it’s NOT unique in hosting large numbers of tourists. Not even close.

You are defending assaulting strangers who have done nothing.

The internet is wild.

I don’t have chronic pain but it’s the same with tinnitus.

Yes. Downplay it all you want but it’s still assault. Especially when acid attacks are not unheard of.

This justifies assaulting people how, exactly?

Sorry, how does any of this justify assaulting tourists?

I’m from London and now live in another tourist heavy city. It doesn’t justify assaulting people.

Screw these guys. Whatever your position on the matter it’s not the tourists themselves who are culpable, but the national and local government for allowing their economy to be so reliant on tourism.

It doesn’t justify assaulting and harassing people in the streets.

Barcelona is not the only city in the world that attracts a large number of tourists. Many cities attract more. Yet Barcelona is the only place I see with so many of these xenophobic nutjobs.

It really feels like the grown-ups are in charge again. With a healthy sprinkling of life experience and working class backgrounds.

Where’s the line? Because controlling men force women to cover up all the time with all sorts of pieces of clothing.

Not in Europe. Everyone just uses WhatsApp, even with an iPhone.

Yep our country is screwed in many ways but at least we haven’t so far dabbled in that kind of madness. It is fundamentally a properly functioning democracy.