• key@lemmy.keychat.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    7 months ago

    Makes me kinda wish that when defederating you could select a one word label for why. Like a fixed list with several options like pedo, spam, harassment, abandoned, etc and a default of other. Make it a bit easier with a big list like this to say, oh 1000 of these 1400 all selected “racism” when defederating so it’s probably very racist and I should also defederate. But if it’s a lot of “other” or inconsistent reasons maybe I should spend a bit of time digging.

        • ijeff@lemdro.id
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          Agreed! I’m really appreciative of folks putting this kind of work into Lemmy.

        • magnetosphere@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          Here’s the beginning of the Wikipedia article:

          Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums, is a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxxing and real-life harassment.

          So, it’s an assholefarm.

          Although the name originated with one particular site, it looks like the name now applies to any site that serves a similar purpose. Bleah.

      • drathvedro@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        What’s up with all the pedo instances? Why are they creating instances in an open web? Are they dumb or something? It sounds to me that just registering the domain names of some of those could be considered a crime, nevermind openly inviting and hosting CSAM.

        • Fraylor@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          “Minor attracted person” the whitewashed version of the word pedophile.

    • 520@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      The internet. It’s a fucked up place. Nothing like what the big players on the internet would have you believe.

      So long as there exists a way for people to not get prosecuted, these things will exist.

      • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        Realistically, the more accessible the internet becomes the more it reflects the behavior of humanity at large.

        These things exist because they’re part of us. The internet probably makes them more visible, but I doubt it makes them more extant.

  • spookex@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    7 months ago

    Does kiwifarms.cc even exist anymore? I remember hanging out there while the main site was under maintenance, but it seems to have gone offline since then

    • CryoBoot@lemmy.worldB
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      Not sure why this is downvoted, but’s been down for longer than a week according to isitdownrightnow.

      • Hal-5700X@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        Not sure why this is downvoted

        Because people hate Kiwi Farms. The reason why people hate them because KF haves freedom and it’s unkillable.

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          People frown upon doxxing and stalking, the law does so too.

          Especially if it is just to push people into suicide.

          Any sane person would hate KiwiFarms. They are the degenerates of the internet. Akin to skinheads. Anyone who identifies as one of them should be banned, IP blocked and seriously beaten if encountered in real life.

  • pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    7 months ago

    Not aware of any of these, which is nice, but iddqd caught my eye since that’s a Doom reference! Overall I always thought the Doom community was pretty positive (at least going by Doomworld forums, and various Doom streamers, as I remember them). I thought surely it must be some misunderstanding! Oh maybe they didn’t reply quickly enough to take down some drive-by hate speech, but that was it.

    Anyway, holy shit, do not go to that lemmy instance. It’s rotten to the core. I’m going to go take a shower and play through Episode 1 to cleanse myself now.

    • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      The Doom fandom will always have the dark shadow of the Columbine High School deaths in its history. So shitty people using Doom to be shitty people isn’t that far from the mark. Nothing will ever change that, sorry.

    • SCB@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      7 months ago

      It’s pretty standard 4chan-NEET fare, for anyone who is wondering. Racism, homophobia, xenophobia, trad wives, and quasi-pro-nazi shit.

      Not worth your time to check out. Small community of sad nerds.

      • Serinus@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        4chan wasn’t like that before 2015. Well, except for the racism part. It was leftish/libertarian.

        It’s also the easiest “social media” platform to game. You don’t have to make up a history for each user. You don’t have to get upvoted. You don’t even really need to make sense.

        • SCB@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          Hell way back in the day, 4chan was one of my go-to websites, before the joking and trolling on /b/ really wasn’t joking and trolling any more.

            • SCB@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              7 months ago

              Right. The really early oughts, when trolling was still a real thing, were so radically different that it’s hard to explain to people these days

  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    7 months ago

    Some of these im… Curious about. Presumably the names are dog whistles (when they’re not just openly stating their purpose)… But IDK the whistle so I’m curious af.

    Not curious enough to get put on some list by actually checking them out though lol

    • evatronic@lemm.ee
      cake
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      “cum.salon” sounds thrilling. I both want it to be exactly what it says it is, but also, something completely different.

      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        But like…

        Free cum extremist?!? Porn and radical political views in the same place? I’m intrigued!

        I’m honestly most curious about wolfgirl because that just sounds like furry shit, but nobody hates furries that much, so what dog whistle am I missing???

        • Wolfgirl: feed is broken, or possibly just denied until you login. Don’t care enough to make an account. About page:

          It’s not a war crime if you had fun doing it.
          I reserve the right to bully you in any way my administration powers allow, or just normally.

          Eh.

          FCE: broken, 50/50 chance of malware, meh.

      • winterayars@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        Oh those hate sites are very closely moderated. They know exactly what kind of content they want on there and anything else gets the boot.

    • cerement@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      try ’em out with Tor – get onto a federal list and an NSA list at the same time …

  • yamanii@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    7 months ago

    Eientei? From touhou? Wonder what’s in there. Also was expecting to see the pawoo competitor misskey.io since several japanese artists went there after Musk bought twitter.

    • Peter1986C@lemmings.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      I checked. Mostly a handful-of-people instance doing whatever on some Pleroma/Akkoma instance. Not much to see there and not much of what I could see there seemed to make much sense to me. Perhaps the defeds are mostly preventative but I cannot tell.

  • lemmyingly@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    7 months ago

    Where/how is this obtained?

    I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.

    • Dramatic Shitposter@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      7 months ago

      Where/how is this obtained?

      I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.

      fba.ryona.agency

      Be aware that it doesn’t track when lemmy instances defederate from other fediverse instances correctly and hasn’t for months, and that it’s run someone from one of those 50 defederated instances.

    • Akagigahara@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      Federated means that any instance that is federated with them receives their content and can bee seen on that instance.

      Defederated means they are not federated anymore, thus blocking both users and content.

      It’s usually done to combat content you don’t want on your instance

      • bouldering_barista@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        Ok ok… So me using Lemmy.world is a specific instance of Lemmy, so it’s almost like its own server? And other instances (maybe lemmy.unitiedstates?) is its own federated instance likely related to just U.S. posts and it can communicate with other instances? Do de-federated instances have no other communication with instances?

        Apologies if these are silly, I feel like a dum dum because everyone else seems to grasp this except me.

    • WhatThaFudge@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      7 months ago

      So you need to look at the number of de federations. That is basically how many other instances have blocked them and do not receive content from them to their feed. You can still go to all these instances using their respective urls and see what they are like. The reasons for blocking them vary depending on the instance. Edit: They can still be federated with other instances that don’t block them creating their own little fediverse bubbles.

    • Gianmarco Gargiulo@feddit.it
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      Defederated means that the server has been forbidden from connecting and communicating with specific other servers that have decided to defederate with it, so users from the server can’t see or interact with users and posts on the server that defederated it and vice versa. Hopefully I was clear and coincise.

  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    7 months ago

    Surprised Gab isn’t the record holder, it was the big deal example the fediverse advocates held up as how awesome the fediverse is at moderating itself, especially the “defed if federated with” rule instances started using to actually quarantine the users from Gab

  • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    7 months ago

    seal.cafe, cawfee.club and sleepy.cafe sure got welcoming names. Given the number of defederations, I doubt the contents are anything like the names.

    • viking@infosec.pub
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      Most of them were automatically defederated for not having adequate protection against bot signups, that got nothing to do with sketchy content.

      • hansl@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        If the bots are welcomed and they don’t have good enough moderation, this is just sketchy content with extra steps.

      • Mango@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        As someone interested in both sides of security game theory, what exactly helps stop bots? I grew up playing RuneScape and hating bots before making r/Artisanvideos and hating them even more. I’ve always wondered if it’s a matter of automatically detecting precise repetitive patterns or just specific giveaway signs.

  • Clbull@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    7 months ago

    This is why I believe federation should be an opt-in process rather than servers being federated by default.

    Some of you may remember when Lemmy World was flooded with CSAM by other hostile instances and had to temporarily disable image uploads.

    • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      That would destroy the already limited content of the fedi. It’s like people hate content discovery for some reason.

      • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        7 months ago

        It’s almost like federation is a stupid fucking idea that doesn’t work

        It’s almost like it’s fundamentally broken and no one else wants to admit it

    • VBB@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      there are peoples who create instances for their families, who is going to manually federate with all these small instances?

      • RickRussell_CA@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        Nominally, you’d need to go through some request process to request federation with other large instances. Then they’d vet your configuration before adding you.

        • Flax@feddit.uk
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          7 months ago

          Would be nice if they had some form of agreement where you can get accepted by one big instance, you get accepted by all. Or maybe even a standard order form and application which you can send to all major instances with the click of a button

    • Margot Robbie@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      Lemmy supports both blacklist and whitelist federation, but the only large instance that uses whitelist federation as far as I know currently is Hexbear.

        • Mango@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          That’s actually pretty concerning, however my mantra is that anything with bad optics just stays in my head. Nobody can gather what I won’t say!